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What should you look for when buying your first planter?

Indiana80

Posted 12/27/12:25 (#)
Subject: What should you look for in your first planter?

As a newcomer, I'm in the market for a used planter. What should I keep an eye out for? I've noticed some models have old fertilizer boxes and tanks, while others are no-till or equipped with monitors. I'm looking for something straightforward to operate, easy to maintain, and simple to find replacement parts for. Thank you!

German Shepherd

Posted 12/27/12:36 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Considerations for Your First Planter

A CIH model 900, 950, or 955 Cyclo is about as basic as you can get when it comes to planters. They not only work well in no-till conditions with minimal modifications but also offer the ease of central fill boxes instead of numerous individual ones.

Gerald J.

Posted 12/27/12:38 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Key Considerations for Buying Your First Planter

John Deere models excel in this category. Having a monitor is incredibly helpful for identifying system problems. However, testing the components is essential. Finger meters sometimes need recalibration on a test stand, while the cup meters designed for beans are reliable but may not be suitable for counting seeds; Kinze brush bean units fit perfectly and provide an accurate count.

Be wary of worn gauge wheel arm bearings and press wheel tail pivots. While these can be replaced with aftermarket parts or Deere parts, the total cost can add up significantly.

Fertilizer systems tend to corrode metal. Many older fertilizer setups can be quite rusty, making functional repairs a challenge.

Older Cyclo planters generally provide accurate seed counts, though they can sometimes place seeds in clumps. Central fill systems can be advantageous, although they require more lifting compared to a parked unit in planting mode.

Gerald J. Ed Winkle

Posted 12/27/12:50 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Important Aspects to Look for in Your First Planter

Martinsville, Ohio

I previously owned a 400 Cyclo and found the White model to be easier to manage, largely due to its clear operator's manual.

It’s vital to ensure it is straight, that all units operate smoothly, it lifts and lowers properly, and that everything turns seamlessly. Though finding such conditions in a used planter can be difficult, it helps if components conform to original specifications and show minimal rust. Interestingly, my older, rusty planter functioned better than any other I used after performing a few upgrades!

When evaluating used planters, be aware of the numerous added parts and familiarize yourself with their operation and specifications.

Taking an experienced farmer along to assess planters can be beneficial.

I've noticed that John Deere planters are more abundant than others, and they also provide ease of use and maintenance. Although I've never owned a finger planter, I’ve worked on several.

Ed Indiana80

Posted 12/27/13:17 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Key Considerations for Buying Your First Planter

So, when utilizing no-till methods, is any pre-plant groundwork necessary such as light disking, or can I simply kill the weeds and begin planting?

TD15

Posted 12/27/13:17 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Key Considerations for Buying Your First Planter

It's advisable to steer clear of Deere models, as they possess weak frames.

sready

Posted 12/27/13:28 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Feedback on My Experience with No-Till Planting

Scribner, NE

Scribner, NE

Ten years back, I started no-till farming using a JD wing fold planter. I purchased it new as a wing-fold setup for wide 38" rows. Over time (I finally swapped it out two years ago for a hydraulic drive), I rebuilt the planter several times, adapted it to 30" by narrowing it down, and implemented Sunco row cleaners, which significantly improved no-till performance. I never experienced any issues with the frame or vacuum meter either, and aftermarket parts are readily available. I thoroughly enjoyed using that planter.

pbutler

Posted 12/27/13:40 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Evaluating Your First Planter

Macon, IL

Macon, IL

I echo Gerald's sentiments: simplicity and affordability of parts in these models is a strong advantage.

Ensure the frame is sound; any other issues can typically be addressed with basic tools.

What acreage are you planning to cultivate?

Indiana80

Posted 12/27/13:48 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Evaluating Your First Planter

I'm thinking of a 4-row setup. I currently have a 271 Massey with approximately 70hp. Some have mentioned it might be able to handle a 6-row planter.

codyfarms

Posted 12/27/14:01 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Evaluating Your First Planter

Central Indiana

I currently use a White planter and absolutely love it. As long as the hydraulic pump operates the air fan properly, maintaining 1.5 LBS of pressure ensures successful planting. The only caution is regarding the clutches; it’s essential to grease them daily.

hillfarmer

Posted 12/27/14:04 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Evaluating Your First Planter

I used to pull a 6-row White with my MF 165.

Iowa Quality Hay

Posted 12/27/14:10 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Evaluating Your First Planter

Grabill, Indiana

Grabill, Indiana

We began with a 6-row White outfitted with Martin Row Cleaners, which has proven to be user-friendly and low maintenance. We're planning to add a population monitor during the winter.

SD-455

Posted 12/27/14:22 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Evaluating Your First Planter

Northeast Indiana (Auburn)

I employed a JD 4-row 30" setup for no-till, utilizing an MF 275. It handled the load well, but it demands more effort when using a JD conservation planter loaded with seeds and fertilizers. The smaller hydraulic hoses on the 275 don’t support it effectively, leading to considerable hydraulic back pressure on the markers. The planter raises and lowers adequately, and I haven't encountered any problems with the units.

Radiehl

Posted 12/27/14:45 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Evaluating Your First Planter

Colorado

Colorado

Another vote in favor of White planters; they're reliable and uncomplicated.

We've only had occasional issues with gauge wheel arm seizing.

Gerald J.

Posted 12/27/14:56 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: 4-row Planters

I used a 4-row no-till planter equipped with straight coulters and Dawn trash whippers with my MF-135 that also tugged a 65-gallon sprayer on the three-point hitch (I never filled it past half full, as it would impair steering). Maintaining RPM low in the operational range, I achieved speeds around 4.5 mph. Using the sprayer, I successfully applied 32% nitrogen 2" off the rows, a preliminary application that effectively utilized nitrogen. This setup consumed minimal fuel and did not seem to exert excessive pressure. With a bit more finesse with tongue weight, I might have handled an 8-row unit with the 135, which would have required a similar amount of effort as plowing.

Previously, I also utilized a 6-row Cyclo 400, which worked adequately although I had some challenges steering firmly.

Gerald J. pbutler

Posted 12/27/14:58 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Evaluating Your First Planter

Macon, IL

Macon, IL

I'm unsure about the horsepower on the 271 model, but I successfully pulled a 6-row in no-till using a Massey 255. However, the tractor ran hot when tackling hills for afternoon bean planting in May. The setup functioned well otherwise. Obviously, a 6-row may incur more costs if you decide to upgrade it.

I cultivated a significant number of acres with this configuration during my early years and it has proven to be quite a return on investment.

Edited by pbutler 12/27/14:59

Gerald J.

Posted 12/27/15:05 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: No-Till Practices

No-till actually means NO tillage: no disking, field cultivation, or plowing. In a hurry one year, I superficially worked in 32% nitrogen, creating a 2" deep hard pan on top. However, if you stir the ground, it will never have the chance to settle naturally, which happens effectively under a true no-till regime.

There exist specific models for no-till that utilize wide waffle coulters, which paradoxically could damage the surface of the soil under certain moisture conditions, functioning more as packing rollers instead of loosening the soil. I employed flat coulters to create slots for nitrogen and to facilitate even spreading of corn stover using trash whippers, which opened up rows for improved soil thermal management and optimal seed-to-soil contact in a no-till environment.

Gerald J.
Gerald J.

Posted 12/27/15:06 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Though I suspect 50 JD planters exist for every 1 White.

Gerald J. GrainTrader

Posted 12/27/15:16 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Evaluating Your First Planter

20 Miles West of Indianapolis Indiana

20 Miles West of Indianapolis Indiana

In my opinion, if I were buying a planter for smaller acreage and utilizing a tractor similar to what you mentioned, I'd opt for a 6-row series John Deere. They are among the most basic models available. A 4-row might suffice based on your future plans, but a 6-row can deliver 50% more productivity at the same speed, theoretically yielding better results. Consequently, restoring a 6-row will invariably be 50% more costly but it should last a similar duration.

Furthermore, should you acquire a larger tractor and wish to attach a splitter bar for soybeans, they integrate easily into the series Deere planters.

When it comes to monitors, the range is vast—choose as advanced or simple as you prefer, but I wouldn't recommend planting corn without one.

Gerald J. has considerable experience with these planters; I’d trust any insights he shares.

GrainTrader

Posted 12/27/15:19 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Moreover...

20 Miles West of Indianapolis Indiana

20 Miles West of Indianapolis Indiana

A series Deere planter earns my endorsement due to parts accessibility. I suspect they are among the most commonly utilized planters still in circulation, resulting in ongoing manufacturing of replacement parts from Deere and various aftermarket suppliers, alongside the availability of second-hand components when possible.

Indiana80

Posted 12/27/15:22 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Insights on Your First Planter

Thanks for the valuable information, everyone! I now have a clearer perspective on what to seek.

PE.

Posted 12/27/15:53 (# - in reply to #)

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WC MN

Regardless of the brand, it's crucial to inspect the gauge wheel's turning while pulling it away from the opener disc; the gauge wheel should turn the opener. If not, expect to make replacements or adjustments until it functions correctly. A tight fit is essential to prevent mud buildup between the gauge wheel and opener.

Gerald J.

Posted 12/27/17:44 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: My Hands-On Experience with My Planter

I utilized a planter for about 8 years, starting with a 4-row wide model, which I reconfigured to 4-row narrow before making it no-till compatible.

The approach I took was to decide on my requirements and procure parts and the operator manual beforehand, ensuring I knew what to watch out for during auctions or dealer visits.

The main wear indicators to monitor are the gauge wheel arms and the closing wheel's tailpiece pivots. You can source repair parts from manufacturers like Deere, Shoup, Ag Express, and RK (if I recall correctly), as well as finger parts through Precision Planters and Kinze. Kinze contracted for Deere units’ production and later continued producing them under their name post litigation with Deere, thus retaining rights to continue manufacturing the design. Moreover, Kinze bean units tend to outperform the original Deere versions. Reports suggest RK supplies the best parts for gauge wheels and tailpieces, far superior to the originals. Evaluating the gauge wheel's condition can give a fair assessment of the overall care the planter has received, as loose wheels may dissuade potential buyers.

However, drive shaft bearings and chains are subject to wear; chains may sometimes rigidify due to rust—but here you should find standard replacements aren’t a hassle. It’s also feasible to change sprockets to facilitate planting rates not listed in manuals. A more critical point is ensuring you have the correct operator manual, as neglecting this can be detrimental.

The model you’re referencing uses identical row units, though designed for a three-point hitch which necessitates a larger tractor due to its significant weight.

Rodents enjoy nesting in the booms, and their waste can lead to corrosion of the hydraulic tubes and marker cylinders. I found it beneficial to separate the marker and main lift cylinders to expedite marker lowering, allowing them to mark effectively to the row's end instead of stopping short. Conversion from a double acting to a single acting lift cylinder proved efficient without incurring new hose costs, simply requiring a couple of adapters and a vent.

I later modified the hitch to a trailer ball hitch, thereby mitigating marker steering issues, and reinforced marker disks for a better trench cut.

Gerald J. Kooiker

Posted 12/27/18:17 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: A Series of Questions.

What is your budget?

What size planter are you considering?

A 70 hp tractor should adequately handle either a 4-row or a 6-row in most scenarios.

Which crops are you planning to grow?

Are you opting for no-till or traditional tillage?

Is fertilizer application desired via the planter? Are you planting corn follow crops?

When planting corn, what size is your corn head?

Are you looking to grow narrow row beans (15"-19")?

If your budget allows, a White planter is commendable for simplicity and capability, handling most conditions reliably, with most wear parts available through Shoup. Splitter bars for narrow row beans are also obtainable if needed.

Though they can typically be located at an affordable price, it’s wise to avoid them if there isn't a dealer within 200 miles.

A White planter remains a valid consideration, though they're not as robust or refined as the 6-row varieties, but for their price point, they could be advantageous.

Apologies for not directly addressing your inquiry, but recommending options is challenging without further details.

kyler309

Posted 12/27/19:45 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: A Series of Questions.

I’ve heard that White planters provide excellent simplicity, and Kinze models are also straightforward. Kinze is my preference, but you might find White models available for a better price than the others.

Indiana80

Posted 12/28/13:14 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: A Series of Questions.

Kooiker - 12/27/ 18:17

What budget are you working with?

What size planter are you considering?

A 70 hp tractor should handle either a 4-row or a 6-row effectively.

What are the planned crops?

Will you utilize no-till or traditional tillage?

Do you require fertilizer on the planter?

Will you face any challenges associated with planting corn after corn?

What size is the corn head when planting corn?

Are you considering narrow row (15"-19") beans for planting?

With a fitting budget, a White planter can serve as an excellent, uncomplicated choice adept at planting across various conditions, with a spectrum of wear parts easily sourced through Shoup.

If you prefer narrow-row beans, splitter bars for those are also available.

While such units can often be found at reasonable prices, lack of a local White planter dealer within 200 miles diminishes feasibility.

A White setup can be an option as well, though they’re not typically built to the same standards as the 6-row planters but come at a lower acquisition cost.

Apologies for the indirect nature of my responses; it’s challenging to provide recommendations without comprehensive details.

Well, as I'm just starting, I plan to operate on a minimal scale, possibly nearing 10 acres? I’m leaning towards beans for my initial harvest. I’m still unsure about ideal row width. Financially, I’m investing cash and need to reserve funds for all inputs like seed and chemicals. Ideally, I aim to do this within a $5,000 budget if feasible?!?

TD15

Posted 12/28/ 13:29 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: A Series of Questions.

If you’re only acquiring 10 acres, consider producing sweet corn and selling it roadside.

Indiana80

Posted 12/28/ 13:56 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: A Series of Questions.

Is planting and nurturing sweet corn equivalent to the methods and inputs used for field corn?

TD15

Posted 12/28/ 16:30 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: A Series of Questions.

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